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04-01-2007, 10:16 PM #1
Ok... plain and simple.. and I'm sure I'm going to raise some hell.
I'm in the process of trying to figure out the Tone Outs that each department uses to trigger off your Minitor Pagers.
This was something that I wanted to add to my database for some times, and just didn't feel like doing so. There have also been a few requests for me to add them. The reason I finally have a fire under my ass to do so, is because I just bought myself a Uniden BR330t for my birthday.
I have most tones in my archives (thanks to signal 15's and such), so grabbing the audio and finding the tones shouldn't be too much work.
Its decoding the tones that is going to piss me off. I am under the impression that Nassau Fire Departments use either Plectron or QEII paging. Since I can get a ballpark tone from my recordings, I need to round off to the nearest QEII tone, or Plectron tone. If I pick the wrong system, I'll get the wrong tones.
Is it safe to assume that most departments use QEII ??
Does anyone have a rundown of who uses what?
And, can anyone volunteer to help me figure out if I do indeed have the correct tones?
Hey BOSS, this may be something that we can work on together, and cross-post with the new board.
Thanks guys(and gals)!
ps.. Since I'm already grabbing the tones, I'm posting them into my downloads section...if anyone wants them for ring tones or anything else "nerdy" :bonk:
04-02-2007, 12:23 AM #2
04-02-2007, 12:43 AM #3
04-02-2007, 06:51 AM #4
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doesn't make him a bad person. and if you are on here and have achieved the rank of capt. or above you are a buff too. :lol:
J.M. trained and approved!
For whatever reason you weren't called GET OVER IT!!!!
04-02-2007, 08:48 AM #5
Question. Why do you want to collect tones??
04-02-2007, 10:41 AM #6
For those of us with a scanner that can read fire tone outs it would be good.
04-02-2007, 11:02 AM #7Originally Posted by gareee
04-02-2007, 11:49 AM #8
"gareee" you've got a library of tape recordings of 71 different air horns going off ... and your asking this guy why he wants to collect 'tones'?
04-02-2007, 11:50 AM #9
04-02-2007, 12:39 PM #10Originally Posted by Signal 12
04-02-2007, 12:51 PM #11
I didn't know some scanners can be tone activated. :???:
Another thing, You have to be careful on giving out tone #'s or whatever. A while back a couple of rocket scientists transmiitted "somebodies" tones over 46.10 and activated their Dept. Not Good.
04-02-2007, 03:33 PM #12
You know, there is always going to be that one turkey that ruins it for everyone. Not like anyone with a scanner and a tape recorder can play it back over a radio too. (if they have a way to transmit).
The bottom line is, if someone really wants to do it, they are going to figure out a way.
The Following Uniden Radios have a "Fire Tone-out" Feature:
BR330, BCT-15, BC396T, and BC996T
Once I get a good pile of Audibles, I'll try my best to decode the actual tone frequency, so that they can be used in the above scanners..bringing me back to my main question..... Is it safe to assume Quick Call or Plectron for tones? Since I don't get an 'exact' freq, it need to round it to the nearest known tone, and the tables are different for QC or Plectron
04-02-2007, 03:55 PM #13
Thank you w2lie for explaning this to me. I wasn't trying to be rude like the ranter sig. 12 was to me, just concerned.
04-02-2007, 06:03 PM #14Originally Posted by 850PWFD
04-02-2007, 10:41 PM #15
A similar problem occurred a few years back when PL tones first started becoming public knowledge with the introduction of scanners with PL capability. A few bad apples used this information to program their own radios and began to harass the Wantagh and Massapequa dispatchers. A few departments started changing their PL's and would not give them out for a while to discourage this kind of episode. When I first read this thread, this scenario came to mind again and I have some of the same concerns garee has.
Posting this information publicly has it's draw backs.
04-02-2007, 10:58 PM #16
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This reminds me of a story...
04-02-2007, 11:11 PM #17
As a HAM operator, I completely understand and can relate to horror of "jammers". But, if someone really wanted to be a d!ck, its easier than you think... Any punk with a recording device and a transmitter can mess with the tones. If its a pocket recorder, or a laptop with a microphone... as long as it can be repeated, its an issue. If it was going to be a problem, I'm sure it would have surfaced by now....
What my goal was, is to actually give the frequency of the tones.
Say, department "Rantville" uses Tones A/B of 540hz / 990 hz. (random values here...) I would post Rantville 540hz / 990 hz.
With the new Uniden scanner, all you do is enter the value 540 hz and then 990 hz, and the scanner will act as a pager.
Useless feature, if you ask me.. with the local dispatcher.. Unless you want to ignore all calls but EMS... Or just leave your scanner on 46.10, and ignore everything else.... I have some of my members asking for the tones, so it is something that people are looking at adding to their scanners... And since I run a scanner site... well. (if the shoe fits, wear it.) FYI... You can start finding some Nassau tones at www.nf2g.com as well..
Hell, I could also be looking at my very first "Premier" section of the website.. Pay per download of the calls. Would that keep people honest??
Like I said earlier... where there is a will...there is a way..
PS... New Scanners have a PL/DPL search feature..making PL tones more or less public in a heartbeat.. If I ran the radio system, i would have input pl different from output pl on the repeaters... but, if someone has enough watts, they can blow the output away anyway...
Get what I'm saying?
04-08-2007, 05:40 AM #18
you tell them w2lie! I remeber a kid in Wantagh who used to get on the air and imitate a certain dispatcher whenever he was done transmitting. The kid used to harass him. The members of the department were furious. I guess the kid got caught. What a dumbass.
05-10-2007, 09:54 PM #19
I would like to thank those who added some of the tone outs to my list.
I could use more help though. An "anonymous" PM with your company's pager tones would really help out anyone with a new UNIDEN radio that wants to use the FIRE TONE feature.
All I really need, is the numbers off the bottom of your pager that give the REED ID's. I have the chart that converts them to actual tones in HZ (which is needed for the Unidens).
I've been trying to decode them with software, but nothing beats the actual values.
Thanks again for the help.... There are a lot of people out there thanking you!
05-11-2007, 03:55 PM #20
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my tones go like this: beep beep boop beep beep. Hope that narrows it down lol...jk
05-11-2007, 04:14 PM #21
You ring that, he'll come running.
05-11-2007, 04:38 PM #22Originally Posted by ESU2422
:p'n'l: :p'n'l: :p'n'l:Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
05-11-2007, 05:03 PM #23
Well, i guess its official....
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