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    Default Pull up hip boots

    Are these still within NFPA regulations? I noticed Chicago just went to bunker gear, but I also heard that some of the older guys still had a choice in what to wear. Reason I bring this up is in the summer months my dept.s class B firefighters, which are usually the older guys are taking a beating in the buker gear. Would it be out of line to issue the old hip boots to these members? Are there dept.s out there who do this?
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    Spin I agree with your thought. The long coats and pull up boots have to be cheaper and easier for the guys who aren't going to be going in the building anymore and they might even be more likely to put that stuff on then just stand around with out any gear on.....
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    I loved my 3/4 boots. I's still wear them in the truck if I were allowed.

    The Boston FD did a study years ago on 3/4 boots vs bunker pants. they found that while the # of burn injuries to the legs decreased slightly (I don't remember the %'s) the rate of cardiac injuries aka heart attacks increased tremendously.

    If it still holds through the truck firefighters up in Boston have the option of wearing either 3/4 boots, work boots or the bunkers. The engine guys have to wear the bunkers.

    Chicago received "money" in their contract for going to the bunkers.

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    I Agree With Spin, How Does Anyone Expect A Older Member Who Is A Class B To Trudge Around In Bunkers, Never The Less Get Them On?....guys Should Have The Option...you Got To Remember How Easy It Was To Get Around And Not Pass Out On A Food On The Stove Or Oil Burner Emergency Without Being Mummified....if Your'e In The Sh*t That Deep...you Are Getting Burned ..maybe Not To The Same Degree, But How Many Cases Are Those And Are They Holding Nationwide Stats To Ascertain The Difference.....truck Wise..it's Easier To Get Around......up Ladders And Crawl Around....

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    I do believe that the hip boots do not meet current NFPA requriements but they do meet OSHA requirements so you can still use them if you don't care about being NFPA compliant

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    Heres the info on the boots

    No NFPA Classification. Non-Branded.

    Even though this boot is not as popular as it was in the past, it is still a good choice to have on hand for those firefighters who make "house flood" calls and apparatus pump operators who frequently set up drafting operations.

    This boot is 16" taller than a standard bunker boot.

    Height:31"
    Size Range:Whole Sizes 4-15
    Type of Construction:Vulcanized Layered Rubber
    Compliance:ANSI - American National Standard Z41-1999
    OSHA - Occupational Safety/Health Admin. 1988 Code of Federal Registry 1910.36,1910.156 and Appendix E
    CAL-OSHA - Calif. Admin code Title 8 GISO Article 10.1 Sept 1985
    CSA - Canadian Standards Assoc. Master Contract #205043
    Upper:Rubber Formulation that resists cracking and oxidation
    Lining:20 oz. Grey Felt
    Outsole:White High Abrasion
    Outsole Pattern:White Sure-Loc™ Outsole
    Heel:Black Molded Rubber
    Heel Reinforcement:Cotton/Nylon Blend
    Insole:3/8" Cushion Sponge
    Insulation:Polyurethane Foam-Closed Cell
    Steel Toe:Meets ANSI Z41 1999 - Section 1 Impact & Compression
    Steel Midsole:One Piece Stainless Steel
    Steel Shank:.05" x 1" x 4" Triple Ribbed

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    Tower345, good info. Thanks. This is what the Rant is for.

    Do all of the local dealers sell them? Does galls?
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    I miss my boots, I was the last Probie class 11 years ago in my Department to be issued them.
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    Tower 345 thanks for the info....now are there any dept.s who allow class B members to wear these? Also are there any dept.s left anywhere on the island that still use the hip boots as primary leg protection?
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    Our Class B's use to have the 3/4 boots with long coats. For a little while the B's had coats that weren't even fire rated. Now everyone has been issued bunker gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ex4100 View Post
    Tower345, good info. Thanks. This is what the Rant is for.

    Do all of the local dealers sell them? Does galls?
    this is the only place I've been able to find them, they are $148 from this website

    http://www.thefirestore.com/store/pr...s_32_insulated

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    From what I understand, Lynbrook was the last, or one of, to change from the tall boots/long coats combo back in the mid to late 90's. I've been told the story that when they got geared up at fireschool the chiefs told them, real funny, now put the parade stuff away and get your bunkers, funny part was, they didnt have bunkers yet.

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    as far as I knew proper length hip boots and jacket were still acceptable...although we have all bunker gear now several older members still have a pair and a few people have them just because...they are nice to have...not for interior-structural FFing though
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    I keep a pair in my trunk. Great for days like today or those nights when you have to walk through a foot of snow to get to your car for a run.

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    a member of a Brooklyn TL told me his company used to keep 2 rubber coats and 2 sets of pull-ups for extended TL operations in the winter time...for use if the company knew they were just going in to flow water for a while from the bucket, not too bad an idea.

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    I still have a pair from the early 90's that I keep on the rack in front of my bunker's. After having those nice few rain storms where we got flooded out this fall, the leather bunker boots don't cut it for flooding situations. If we have a flooding problem now, I grab those as we go out for runs. Probably one of the best things that I held on to when the department went over to the bunker gear and decided to get rid of the 3/4 boots. Now A LOT of people were wishing they held on to them.
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    Hicksville was using them as spare (station) gear up till about 2 years ago.
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    LOL I laugh because how many places shitcanned their pull-ups when they got bunker gear (or cut em down)- now when ya gotta drag some schmuck outta the car he decided to drive through a lake in, you're wishing for them.

    Think the big issue, as always, is liability. Even with Class B Firefighters who may even be exterior only, you're safest bet is still bunkers. I.e. your class B FF gets a leg injury while kneeling down to break a hose coupling or whatever. It doesnt typically happen but some damn lawyer could come along and say "well if he was wearing bunker pants" yada yada yada...

    When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Its senseless to have anyone or any place jammed up over something thats so simple.
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    If you are on the fireground, your chief and department has an obligation to make sure you are issued complete PPE soup to nuts, all of which must meet or exceed current specifications. If your on fire police, or if your the first guy through a window off a portable ladder ... your still on the fireground and therefore are entitled to the same level of protection, regardless of your classification/status/popularity/level of activity/etc. However, if it does not violate OSHA/NFPA mandates, I don't see why an exterior firefighter cannot be outfitted with pull up boots in order to keep them more comfortable and less fatigued on the fireground. I say fatigued because I have seen some of our more senior members (some with medical conditions) work 10 times harder than some of our younger members who you would simply assume could handle the basic tasks expected of a firefighter, let alone just having the energy to help pack hose and round up equipment afterwards.

    And yes our rig at work has pull up hip boots on it for non-firefighting tasks/emergencies.

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    Default pull up boots

    Quote Originally Posted by underthedome View Post
    I keep a pair in my trunk. Great for days like today or those nights when you have to walk through a foot of snow to get to your car for a run.

    Question, Now how can you tredge through a foot of snow to get to your car for a run if the boots are in your trunk? lol just messing with ya! i know what you mean
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    long boots and long coats !!!!! now i am starting to cry !! i miss them Why Why Why did thay go !!! whay did we let them leave!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by newhydeparkcap View Post
    long boots and long coats !!!!! now i am starting to cry !! i miss them Why Why Why did thay go !!! whay did we let them leave!!!
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    My department still buys 3/4 boots and they are carried on the apparatus.Used for cellar pump outs and if a firefighter showes up from work without his/her gear they can wear the boots with a long coat on the outside.We also will let them preform overhaul duties

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    Long boots and short coat sometimes hot embers down the boots and some water but it was all good.
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    If your that out of shape that you can't handle wearing full bunker gear while operating at a call, you probably don't belong there in the first place.

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