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    "Whadda ya want from me? Signal 12
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    Default Signal 15 ...

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    This is not an attack at dispacthers.

    I'm curious if a lot of thought goes into what is said on the radio when a message is planned out? Announcing parties, softball winnders, etc. Is it a good or bad thing? What's the harm in using codes for most of the message and/or asking members to call the message phone if the department has one?

    If the critics and the press are watching our every move, why wouldn't they also be listening to the radio?

    Does everyone within radio range need to hear that there is a New Year's Eve party taking place?

    Aside from the regular radio checks, the lack of professionalism that sometimes takes place on the radio? Before identifiers and even worse, when they still had a tactical channel, City EMS radio was a comedy routine, but very, very unprofrossional. Low watt and short range handy-talkies seem to be the exception, but the FDNY borough frequencies are very strict and radio manners are enforced. Seems out here you'll here someone give a "21" or a "22" and then someone might make a comment on the same frequency, a cat call, a screach, etc.

    Image is really important and our actions aren't just witnessed, they're also listened to by more people than we realize.

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    There is as much thought as there is allowed to be nwhen it comes to sig 15's on the dispatchers side. Being that most of the time the dispatchers are not given a choice of what to say they are given a pre-printed sheet of what to say. I think that more recently due to current events that I have heard less messages of point blanking saying things about parties and winners of events. I am not saying they are not there though, I just think there are less of them. I think most departments have come up with a signal for it, or my favorite is that members are to call the department message phone. I have been hearing that one alot and I think its a good way to keep dept business no matter what it is off the air.

    As for the lack of professionalism, I hear it often and I am not saying that I am innocent on my side. I have had many a interesting comment with chiefs and officers from my mic. The professionalism in the city FDNY (fire side) is very regimented and monitored. If ever there was time that you accidently said thanks after badgering a BC aide for fire info or if you were trying to ask nicely for info because the BC was getting annoyed because you were doing your job. It could end up with the phone call from downtown. The city has very clear guide lines of what you are supposed to say and how you are supposed to say it. They were also sticklers for saying O vs zero they never wanted you to say zero they would tell you its too many sylabbles.

    Image is important as you said and yes you never know who's listening.

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    theres almost no one that uses proper radio "talk" people dont really care on the radio they use peoples names and use words instead of signals. I think its embrassing when people dont use the radio properly. I mean i guess its good not 2 use signals for the newer guys but people need to learn the signals some how. Also if you dont use your signals people on the outside (newsday) could listen to your converstations.

    IDK jmo

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    Anybody can buy a scanner at Radio Shack.

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    New guys or not you should always use signals..If you use the proper signals then you can not mistake what is being requested or ordered...Because signals are usually pretty precise....

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    Also if you dont use your signals people on the outside (newsday) could listen to your converstations.


    What conversations?? If it's not important, don't say it on the radio.


    And as far as I'm concerned about the city.... O is a letter... zero is a number.

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    i totally agree i hate sloppy people with mics

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    But in the city they were lunatic about using the letter O

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    signal 12...i have thought the same thing...

    the difference is Firecom...i know they have rules about what they can and cant say...as for indivdual dept disp...well they can pretty much say what they want...and dont forget...if they have their own frequency u usually hear crazier stuff...i dunno the FCC rules but i know what the NC Fire Service Directory says...

    this is straight from the directory...

    COMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE
    NASSAU COUNTY FIRE SERVICE
    County-Wide Messages
    1. Death of fire person killed in the line of duty (line of duty defined by Chief of Department).
    2. Death of Ex-Chief or Ex-Commissioner.
    3. Death of active Chief, Assistant Chief or Commissioner.
    4. Death of an officer of a fire association of Nassau County, as follows:
    a. Nassau County Firemenís Association
    b. Fire Chiefs Council of Nassau County
    c. South Shore Volunteer Fire Departments Association
    d. North Shore Fire Council
    e. Executive Council of Firemanic Associations of N.C.
    f. Association of Fire Districts of Nassau County.
    5. Death of an officer from Nassau County of the following:
    a. F.A.S.N.Y.
    b. Southern New York Volunteer Firemensí Association
    c. New York Association of Fire Chiefs.
    d. Association of Fire Districts of the State of N.Y.
    6. Death of Past President of a Nassau County or New York State Firematic Association.
    7. Death of a uniformed staff member of the Fire Marshalís Office.
    8. Death of a uniformed member of the Fire Service Academy.
    9. Events of interest to the Nassau County Fire Service (omit profit-making events).
    a. F.C.C.N.C. Seminar.
    b. County Memorial Service.
    c. A sudden change of meeting location, sudden cancellation of meeting, (at the same time, the new
    location and date of meeting to be given), for only organizations that belong to the Executive
    Council of Firematic Associations.
    d. Notice of classes of the Fire Service Academy.
    10. Cancellations of Fire Service Academy or Fire Marshalís Office classes that are composed of all departments.
    THE ABOVE ITEMS 1 THROUGH 10 MAY BE ANNOUNCED ONCE ON EACH OF TWO DATES AT 1842 HOURS.
    11. Blood URGENTLY needed for fire or police personnel.
    12. Severe weather ďAlertsĒ.
    13. Special interest bulletins of emergency nature.
    THE ABOVE ITEMS 11 THROUGH 13 MAY BE ANNOUNCED AS CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANT. (Issued January, 1985.).
    " Cancel the Engine "
    " Vent and Ye Shall Live "
    " Have Tower Ladder, Will Travel "
    " Everything That Has A Beginning Has An End "
    " If You Have To Ask Why We Do What We Do...Then You Wouldn't Understand The Answer..."

    MY POSTINGS ARE MINE...THEY DO NOT REPRESENT MY COMPANY, DEPT, DISTRICT or BATTALION

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    Those are specific to what FC does?

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    yep...or at least on paper anyway
    " Cancel the Engine "
    " Vent and Ye Shall Live "
    " Have Tower Ladder, Will Travel "
    " Everything That Has A Beginning Has An End "
    " If You Have To Ask Why We Do What We Do...Then You Wouldn't Understand The Answer..."

    MY POSTINGS ARE MINE...THEY DO NOT REPRESENT MY COMPANY, DEPT, DISTRICT or BATTALION

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    Default Re: Signal 15 ...

    That's one of the reasons why we issued alphas to all our members.

    All messages go over the alphas. Only the people that need to know something hear it now. We've been doing it that way for about 5 years now with pretty good success.

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    That definetly keeps things to those who need to know only....good idea.

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    those are the procedures for county-wide notifications not department-specific notifications?

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    Correct, those procedures pertain to the county wide notification.

    However, MOST of the time when I call Fire Com to ask them to put a message out along with our signal 15 - they ask for codes, and as little words as possible. Which is when we resort to our back-up for the more personal approach.

    But then again, whats wrong with announcing company meeting changes, softball practice, drill team practice, after holiday party. I personnaly see nothing wring with it.

    F-Newsday, most of us work hard and leave our families at all hours of the day / night. And for free!
    "The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it". -T. Roosevelt

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    I agree :mosh: :mosh: :mosh:

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    Default Re: Signal 15 ...

    Quote Originally Posted by finster
    That's one of the reasons why we issued alphas to all our members.

    All messages go over the alphas. Only the people that need to know something hear it now. We've been doing it that way for about 5 years now with pretty good success.
    And yet the general tone (which is used a bizillion times a day) still has to get tested every night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroone
    But then again, whats wrong with announcing company meeting changes, softball practice, drill team practice, after holiday party. I personnaly see nothing wring with it.

    F-Newsday, most of us work hard and leave our families at all hours of the day / night. And for free!
    sure, change of meeting notif. could be important, but try waiting to put out a cardiac while you are listening to when the softball game is followed by drill team practice, blah blah blah...Whoever had the idea to cram all these 15's into the busiest time of the evening was a genious. It's 2007...between alpha pagers, e-mail and almost everyone having a message phone, there is no need to tie up the main alerting freq. with BS.

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    Bravo... you are correct sir.

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    It's 2007. Departments can set up free email accounts at yahoo or whatever if they don't have a program themselves and send the members announcements. Or text messages or whatever. There is no need for messages over the air except for last minute stuff or cancellations, etc

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    "but try waiting to put out a cardiac while you are listening to when the softball game is followed by drill team practice, blah blah blah..."

    "It's 2007...between alpha pagers, e-mail and almost everyone having a message phone, there is no need to tie up the main alerting freq. with BS."

    Directly from a professional dispatcher ... how 'bout those apples. THANK YOU!

    Let's keep the fire radio for fire business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underthedome
    It's 2007. Departments can set up free email accounts at yahoo or whatever if they don't have a program themselves and send the members announcements. Or text messages or whatever. There is no need for messages over the air except for last minute stuff or cancellations, etc
    Excellent idea.. but here's the problem.. "Bar Stool Know It Alls"
    They dont want change, they dont believe in it.. You cant get the 65 year old ex chief 5 times over near a computer, alpha pager, or whatever.. He HAS to know it over the pager.. Why? Because that's how it's been done before..There are dept's that have red alert with the screens in the firehouses.. When they work, the messages are on there.. but it's up to the individual members to check them.. that's one of the best ways to do it, a message phone and the monitors in the firehouse.. You dont come to the firehouse to check the screen, then you dont get to partake in the activity...
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    Then the know it alls should refrain from disabling in house alerting systems.

    You are right Thunder, no reason why stuff can't go over the alphas and e-mail.

    We have a yahoogroup set up with a majority of our members signed up. Its private to a point in which one of the members forwards it outside the group, but it hasn't been an issue. As the Owner/Moderator, I screen new applicants to assure they are members of my FD. Works well.
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    I see nothing wrong with a periodic check for some of the less busy departments once or twice a week, but I've had times where I've hit a certain departments general tone several times in the day, even as soon as an hour before 15 time, then I have to do a "radio check" to make sure their equipment is working an hour later? Radio committee and battallion reps take note...the hours between 17:55 and 19:15 are a cluttered mess of nonsense that blocks actual emergency radio traffic...get on it!

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    yes it would be great to use codes but 99% of the time it is what the chiefs write on the paper that we as dispatcher's read F/C has the rules the rest of us say what is written "so let is be written so let it be done"

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